what happened here?

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: what happened here?

Take a look at this video. Civic type-R flips over in a corner (nurburrng?) I dont get it how the car could flip over like that?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0tZlCx9VYkI&feature=related

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject:

Hey Apolan,

Looks like something like lift oversteer. The fact that the car is sliding sideways and suddenly flips isn't all that strange. With us drifting all the time we never really think about this risk but these guys run on pretty sticky tires and if the tires suddenly stick and won't slide sideways there is only one direction that energy can go into...

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject:

yea, i'm guessing its a combination of things, like very high speed, sticky tires, and an uphill slope.. still strange to see a racecar flip over like that..

Itsuki Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Posts: 15 Location: N.Ireland

i agree! lift off over steer and a bad line cutting on the inner kerb. or something like that!
S**t happens lol poor honda Puh

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:54 am Post subject:

The VLN are the endurance races held on the combo Nordschliefe/F1 Nurburgring circuits, so you got the right place.

That part of the circuit has very little in the way of funny cambers etc to cause that, in fact the Ring Taxi (M5) usually uses those two as big show-off drifting corners. As said above it basically just looks like the back came out and as it gripped it lifted and went over, possibly not helped by the angle the tires were facing as it went due to the opposite lock that was applied.

Go here:- Clicky For some of the best Ring laps including the full F1/Nordschliefe combo you'll see. It will ask for an email then you get a download link in the email. Wonderful site. Smile

P.S. My friend started racing in the VLN this year in an S2000. Smile

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:11 am Post subject:

That is some bad stuff, at least for the civic.

I think it might have something to do with the curbs he got on.

Anyway the Nordschleife has all kind of dangerous parts and you always have to respect that. If you look at how the civic was trashing down the corner before that he was quite fast already.

VLN can be quite some fun I guess. We are considering it for 09, depending on how business in 08 goes.

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:39 am Post subject:

VLN would be huge fun. I was lucky enough to be taken round there by this friend of mine in his 964 RS at battle pace, probably one of the most religious experiences of my life. Few things could be better, but doing it yourself would probably do it. Smile

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject:

Fast corner, not a lot of weight on the inner tires and a fairly high curb on the inside..This happens to lots and lots of FWD cars there..

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:11 am Post subject:

but it doesnt seem that car rode the curb Blonde question

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:36 am Post subject:

Look carefully, the rear steps out of line and the front right as a result hits the curb and gets launched.

Wataru Joined: 17 Dec 2004 Posts: 117 Location: Latvia

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:56 am Post subject:

I think just the kerbs would do it already...though I'm sure they are bumpy as well. This is one of the curves at the nordschleiffe where you can easily take a bit of extra risk. The entrance is wide and easy to oversee. The exit is slightly on-camber and uphill..So you throw the car at the apex like a dart arrow (relatively too high speed) and rely on the grade to catch you at the exit.
If you play the vid slowly you can see exactly what happens. He throws the car at the apex and all seems fine, but the rear steps out exactly at the apex. As a result, instead of clipping the apex neatly and using all of the trackwidth, the front rotates onto the kerb sending the car flying. You need to see those kerbs IRL just to appreciate how high they are.

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:34 pm Post subject:

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=MAlE6JCKX60

check at ~8min..different corner (very similar one) same thing but this time a red audi.

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:26 am Post subject:

man that nurburgring is even more dangerous than it already looks.. Shocked