Bean Bandits Levin 'Globetrotter'
09-13-2013, 10:57 PM
Post: #211
Coilovers / Suspension
Instead of a new thread I thought I'll post it here. This is going to be a longer read, so please accept my apologies.
I'm currently doing research for some new suspension parts for my car while it's on his way back to me.

I've read plenty of threads on several forums but as usual it's very difficult to find good infos.

I'll start with what I currently have

APEX springs of unknown rate (I plan to measure once the car arrives)
Tokico HTS 112 (long stroke)

This setup is nice but not ideal - on smooth surface the springs feel too soft and overdamping the setup despite helping a bit is not a good solution.

On the Nuerburgring the rear bottoms out on a few places (i.e. entering the Karussel)

Backin Sudan it was too harsh as the roads are worse than in Belgium.
Now here (Israel) the roads are in a fairly good state even if not as good as Switzerland.

I acquired some swift spring with 6kg/mm and 4kg/mm rates front and rear respectively but to fit them at least on the front some major changes would be necessary to the struts to make them work and still yield minimal travel.

So what would I desire? As the car won't be my daily driver anymore I'd like to do a more fun street/track oriented setting. As far as my research has gotten yet this means front rates between 3kg/mm and 6kg/mm and rear from 2kg/mm to 5kg/mm. I've looked at my options and budget in mind and came up with several solutions and would be interested in some opinions.

Option #1: cheapest
modify my struts and live with minimal travel/stroke using the swift springs. Also moving out of the ideal range of the shocks due to being too long.

Option #2: cheapish
sell the swifts and convert to proper coilovers up front with longer springs but keeping the shocks, regaining travel/stroke but having a fairly/rally like stance.

Option #3-X: off the shelf coilover/suspension set or custom made
here lies the real trouble in my research. I looked at the following setups so far but am not interlay happy with any of the due to different reasons.

[list:6006e5de24]HSD HR kit - I like the fact that they come with new spindles and that does are separate from the rest (you can adjust height without removing or affecting the travel) but they aren't listed on the main page anymore and despite that some sources suggest that alternative spring rates could be ordered there is no proof/certainty that the valving would suit.

DW CS2 - too high spring rates and basically the same as above

BC Racing BR - same as above again - although I found a promotional dyno of the dampers I still need to figure out if it would work, think it would be too harsh of a damper in general

BC Racing ER - separate adjustment which I like can be ordered with different rates and they would revalve it too as it's made to order but still not sure on their damper characteristic

AVO universal dampers and home made struts - currently checking if I can source the lower mount and spindle from BC Racing (just the mounts) and come up with my own build for the rest.
I'm a bit intrigued by this as this would allow the maximum freedom but I'm not entirely convinced about the AVO springs (I will see if they supply me with a shock dyno)

GAZ Gold (GGA432) - they claim the rear being an OEM fit despite having a 62mm damper body (reinforcing will be necessary anyway) and I would need to send them some front spindles/struts. Also adding independent damper control doubles the price[/list:u:6006e5de24]

As can be seen above I'm very picky of the dampers suiting the spring rates.
Hence why I partial to have independent control of the damping as this would on some dampers allow a proper setup on others it's utterly useless or unnecessary if it's properly valved from the get go.
If I would aim for one single rate I could always go with Bilstein and have them suit the valving but my recent experience with their customer support is bad (wrote several emails and never in 4 months received a single answer apart from auto replies). I know they are good quality but so are others.
One issue with going custom is thatI won't do it unless the company who provides the damper also supplies me with a dyno chart for it and that's not very common apart from the super expensive ones (some simply don't have the test equipment which makes their products questionable and others refuse to hand them out, even more disturbing).

I would love to test drive many different setups but as my AE86 is once more the only one in the country it's difficult to say the least.

here some unsorted links to the different products:
HSD HR, AVO, BC Racing ER, BC Racing BR, DW CS2, GAZ Gold

I'm all ears to opinions/suggestions etc and thanks for reading Smile

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