Honda F20 conversions on club4ag

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:33 am Post subject: Honda F20 conversions on club4ag

I've just had a quick look on club4ag for the first time in a while.

Check this out.

clicky thread link

Its so wrong - but so right at the same time Worship

bet it goes real well.

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Wataru Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 84 Location: Ireland

Nealy swore I was talking to a lad living over here that is going at that very conversion at the min . .

Cant remember who he was Wink

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:01 am Post subject:

My god!

"HYO, Evolution Motorsports charges $10,000 for the swap, including Motor, AEM Standalone ECU, Custom driveshaft, Radiator etc....You drop it off with a 4AG and pick it up with an F20C installed and running. As far as a supercharger goes? it should fit just fine. There is lots of room in the engine bay.
10.000US?!? That's nothing! Wonder if they pick up cars here in europe. Very Happy

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:08 am Post subject:

I believe Max Misawa is in the process of installing a K20 in his coupe at the moment.. Also a very nice engine..

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:51 am Post subject:

The K20 is from CTR, right?

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:04 am Post subject:

someone on toyota3tc.com is also installing a F20C engine in his TE27.

The engine characteristics fit the AE86 (and the TE27) very well, only it's a shame it doesn't say 'Toyota' on the valve cover Smile

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:58 am Post subject:

Its just a lump of metal under the bonnet..who cares what it says...as long as its characteristics suit the car..

A bunch of letters on a valvecover does not determine how a engine feels and reacts..

I think the F20C is an excellent choice...more power then any toyota engine...reliable...power left in the bottem rpm half (vtec is really a brilliant system) and not that much torque that it tears the ancient chassis in half....pity that they are so damn expensive.

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:57 pm Post subject:

Hmmm...this has come at a bad time for me. And the cogs in my diddy little brain have started to turn - oh god.

I wonder if anyone can perform this chop opp in the UK ?

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:06 pm Post subject:

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 4:36 pm Post subject:

Ian, if you really are going to attempt this, you would be better of with the newer generation K series engines. They will remain the workinghorse in the Honda line up for sime time, so you are ensured of plenty cheap parts.Power of the engines is nearly similar (220bhp from the jap-spec TypeR engine. Weight is slightly less then the Fseries, engine is a little less tall then the F. It should fit in there better then the F engine..You have probably already read what that engine does with simple bolt ons...totally insane when you compare it with what you have to do to extract 20 extra bhp from a 4A-GE.

The people around T3 have somehow found out how to do the swap without reworking the firewall....find out how and it could be a one weekend job to install the bugger.

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:37 pm Post subject:

what transmision do you use in that case?

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:10 pm Post subject:

I know a guy who is fitting the civic Type-R engines into westfields at the moment. A company in the UK already has Ford Type 9 belhousings for them too which is a start. Will ring my westfield buddy and see what I can find out for you guys.

I dont think you need to do any work on the firewall to fit the F20 engine tbh - its all on the transmission tunnel - if you look at the original thread on club4ag you can compare the bell housing end of the gearbox to the regular toyota one.

I think RHD would be more complex to do though as on the exhaust side you would have to deal with the steering rack maybe being in the way of the exhaust.

Wataru Joined: 19 Jun 2005 Posts: 107 Location: London

Only thing to watch with those Honda engines, is they run the opposite way to every other engine, so really need the Honda diff, or you'll have the worlds fastest reversing car

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:42 pm Post subject:

huh, really?

i never heard that before Shocked

And this is the TE27 i wrote about earlier in this thread:

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it ran for the first time today!!

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:49 pm Post subject:

Dogs danglies comment on the direction of rotation is only true for the older engines..the F20 and K20 spin the correct way..

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:53 pm Post subject:

Yep new F and K series motors spin the correct (?) way.

The K series is very popular with lotus elise people and the ariel atom is also available with the K series (optional supercharger too)

The trueno above also looks like the bellhousing did cause the firewall to get chopped - take a look at where the heater/blower pipes normally run.

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Ian.

Wataru Joined: 03 Nov 2005 Posts: 70 Location: Oregon

Evom does a lot of ae86 swaps

http://em-racing.com/projects/ae86.htm sr20det

http://em-racing.com/projects/S86.htm f20c

It's a pretty cool shop in california.

Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 10:01 pm Post subject:

I would NOT like to drive in wet with an F20, that's for sure...
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:52 pm Post subject:

Widar, they have a special anti hydro-lock valve that prevents engine damage. They came up some time ago when the "AEM iceman" intakes were popular...you could route the intake anywhere you'd want though.

@Ian. The other K-series engine: the (caugh) Rover one..when properly built should be a ery good option as well. The 2.0l VHPD engine produces more then 220 bhp. Read somewhere that the dubious reliability was down to some subpar dowel pins (head/block). It should be way lighter then even the F series engine..saving you another 60kg's...has lots more bottom end torque as well....Worth investigating instead of just dismissing it immediately..60kg's is a LOT of weight...with proper parts you could probably get the hachi down to around 800kg's

There are lots and lots of nice engines out there....Opel/GM ecotec springs to mind...have you seen what they achieve with those neon SR4 engines? Cheap parts too.

Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:55 pm Post subject:

I don't think the evil admin won't allow these teasers from these fine videos you must buy.

JDM F20c AE86 coupé
http://rapidshare.de/files/8773687/JDM_F20c_pow...chi_Roku.wmv.html

T3 Car - I had no idea big names like that has driven Gabe's car!
http://rapidshare.de/files/8774376/T3_Honda_F20...chi_Roku.wmv.html

Have a great time. Smile

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:31 pm Post subject:

Some more inspiration...

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how nice is that.

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:59 pm Post subject:

And now for some REALLY insane stuff - if an F20c isn't quite enough to hit the spot - you can always run a centrifugal supercharger on it.

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Oh lookie here - it looks like some photographs of a modified front cross member Thumbsup

And what we need to do with the gas axe

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And a rough guide to engine mounting (Although This is slightly higher up that the other conversions I've seen

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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:13 pm Post subject:

Oh - and they fit in starlets too

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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:16 pm Post subject:

Where's the radiator? Did it go to the back like in those monstrous group B and rallycross turbo machines?

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:20 pm Post subject:

nice,