Mocal oil cooler & sandwitch plate ordered

Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:37 am Post subject:

aceptable is around the 100 dgs Celsius like anny other cars..

above the 130 dgs most oils lose there function and get thin as water.. there is a castroll RS oil.. but will cost in stead of 6 / 8 L for normal oil 25 euro / L !! verry expensive oil..

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject:

owkee.. If the cooler is an Mocal then I will order this Kit! with a 16 row cooler for the cooling cappacity.

Edit:

He has got no more RWD sets in stock... Sad

But it is not that divers to a FWD type..
only thing I can come up to is the lengt of the hoses...

Cheers,

Roel

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:29 pm Post subject:

www.thinkauto.com

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:00 pm Post subject:

thanx mate!!

will look there !!

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:52 am Post subject:

If you have a look at my build file, you will see some photos including a remote thermostat

http://www.aeu86.org/viewtopic/parrots-snail-pa...t/5611/highlight=

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject:

saw your remote termostat.. got more pictures of that ?

cheers,

Roel

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject:

Nothing any more detailed than what you can see here.

Note I have used press fit hose and fittings so you make your own lines - easy.

I made my own bracket. A little cumbersome but I wanted to make use of existing bolt holes only, not drill any new ones.

When thinking about placement, remember to factor in the impact the fittings will make to relative heights and clearance.

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject:

that I understand,

Andwhat kind of thread have you used? and the thickness of the hoses etc...

and where is the oil cooler of you positioned ?
couse I think that I will place the oil cooler in front of the normal radiator,
but take in account that I wil place a FMIC in the near future..

with other words.. how mutch hose will I need? I dont think that I will Use a relocator for my filter, so will bolt the relocator directly th the engine..

for as I can see, that should be possible. will take an other close look.

These are the parts that I got in mind sofar..

MOCAL pressed plate oil to air coolers ( I think that a normal one will do just fine no needs for a HD pressed plate coolers)
OC5193-8
COOLER 19ROW 230MM 1/2BSP MALE
£91,12 (Excluding VAT at 17.5%)

Oil Cooler Take Offs
OTSP1
For spin-on 3/4UNF filter- tapped1/2BSP with built in oilstat
£38.72 (Excluding VAT at 17.5%)

Female 45o fitting

2x for on the sandwitch plate

HEFP43-8
1/2BSP for 1/2 hose- Moquip steel
£5.25 (Excluding VAT at 17.5%)

2x for the sandwitch plate

MMS3-8-8
1/2BSP x 1/2BSP- steel
£0.96 (Excluding VAT at 17.5%)

Female 90o fitting
2x for on the cooler

HEFP93-8
1/2BSP for 1/2 hose- Moquip steel
£5.25 (Excluding VAT at 17.5%)

FC332 "Socketless" Hose

4 meter (need about 1,7 meter from oil filter to the front x2 )

FBN0800
1/2" bore, 0.75" od - black- per metre
£7.51 (Excluding VAT at 17.5%)

this in adition if the hoses are delivered in 4 x 1 m ...

Male straight fitting- non swivel
2 x for the hose long length needed.

HEMP3-8
1/2BSP for 1/2 hose- Moquip steel
£1.70 (Excluding VAT at 17.5%)

Female straight fitting
2x for the hose long lengt neeeded

HEFP3-8
1/2BSP for 1/2 hose- Moquip steel
£1.70 (Excluding VAT at 17.5%)

do I miss annything ??

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 8:34 am Post subject:

1/2 " push fit hose. I ordered 3 metres and I had quite a bit left over, even after I decided to change one of the hoses.

1/2 BSP thread for the fittings.

For a 1600cc naturally aspirated engine a 13 row cooler is heaps. This cost me GBP 59 but then they gave me 25% off everything.......

I have placed mine as low as possible in front of the radiator at the bottom right corner as you look from the front of the car. It is placed hard up against the radiator core. The hoses run through the oval shaped hole under the battery tray. I enlarged this slightly and modified an oval shaped rubber blanking plug I found on the front of an MX83 Cressida. Drilled holes in this for the hoses and there is no way the hoses will ever rub on the body work.

Make sure you place the cooler so the inlet/outlet is at the top, not the bottom, to minimise risk of airlocks.

The guys at Think Auto really know what they are doing so let them know what you are planning and they will tell you what you need. You can actually get a kit ready made up for an AE86 with hoses and all.

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 9:53 am Post subject:

Owkee thanx Parrot,

For placing; I measured from oil filter straight to the side, unther the batery troug to the front and want to place the cooler untherneat the hood lock...
(so I have plenty of room left for my intercooler..

Are the hoses delivered in pieces of one meter or just in one piece??

The current engine is a 4agze, and not natural aspirated engine, and I was given the advice by a dutch rally shop to take at least the 16 row, but the 19 row was perfect they said..

ow btw, why did you got 25% discount ?? Very Happy

Hope that they will awnser my email shortly Very Happy

thanx sofar!

Cheers Roel

Posted: Thu May 15, 2008 11:32 am Post subject:

Hose came in one piece.

Re discount, I was passing through the UK on the way back from Brussels and was trying to arrange a VAT exemption form. Had the parts delivered to my brother in law in the UK. In the end, they found it all too hard so just knocked 25% of the total bill!!

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:27 am Post subject:

Did It take so long for you to get a reply by them Parrot?
cause I emaild them last week and still got no reply..

will call them today..

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:45 am Post subject:

It did actually, but that was because they were in the middle of changing over to a new server. Obviously shouldn't be a problem now. Perhaps the person is on holidays.

But yes, give them a call, they were very helpful.

Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject:

those englisch guys are realy slow.. damnzz..

spoke to them on the phone.. during that, I emaild them.. they said.. owkee. we are going to arrange that.. (cause I wanted a quote first..)

2 days after .. still no reply..

trough some friends who do allot in Peugeot tuning .. (engine tuning)
DP-engineering.nl I got the adress of www.dutchpowertrading.nl

and what do you know.. they also sell Mocal.. and for even better prices!!
they only cant shring/ fit a hulse on the joint...

So I called a compagny who can do that.. and can also deliver hoses etc..

So will order complete hoses for a nice price over there! with fitted joints..

and the Mocal oilcooler 19 row 330 mm width is ordered.. maybe a little overkil at the moment.. but does not mather that mutch! its is perfect for a little more power in the future Very Happy

also a sandwitchplate inc termostat... Smile

I'm happy now.. at last.!!!

Dutch powertrading also has got nice Intercoolers.. witch i need.. Very Happy

hmm..

cheers Roel

Ryousuke Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Posts: 189 Location: Hungary

Hi guys.

Do you think is it a problem to have oil temp always at 75-80 celsius when racing/drifting?
I bought a too big (35*30*5cm - 25row) oil cooler. I use it with the mocal thermostat adapter, but the temp won't rise over the opening temp I think.

Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject:

I dont think that that is a big problem.. but check your termostat again!!

or feel your oil cooler.. engine should get hotter than that inspecially during racing / drifting... full throttle actions.. I think that the termostat is always open ??

But is the engine a turbo/supercharger or so?

But what I do know that racing teams start driving from about 60 dgs, that is warm enough for some oil lubrrication of divers parts..

But the best is around the 90 / 100 dgs..

Ryousuke Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Posts: 189 Location: Hungary

to tell you the truth I just thought that the oil won't be hotter then the opening temp.
We had a test today and it was 95 celsius after a couple of rounds. So it looks like we choose the right size.

edit: its an almost stock 4age. Headers and light tune (polish, cam gears, etc.)

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject:

Had a 4agze powered ae86 with standard oil cooler set up using a MOCAL 13row oil cooler. Think it was all fine, never had any problems anyhow. Now have fitted a 7AGZE with sc14, and a oil temperature guage. On track oil reeches 110deg and more after about 4-5laps on boost.
Just read this topic, looking some help, what size of oil cooler would be best 19/25row or more?
What is the part numbers of the sandwich plates etc you used PARROT, set up sounds good, would like to sort out something similar myself?

Is that picture a remote filter head with sandwich plate bolted to it on the inner guard? Never thought of doing it that way instead of from the side of the block.

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 2:33 am Post subject:

Hi Boffin

Yes it is a remote filter head (RF4) with a thermostatic sandwich plate (OTSP1). They are designed to join like that if desired. Has a basic take off plate (TOP1) from the block.

Their catalogue is very detailed and has some good design info included which may help you determine the size of cooler. Talking with them, they recommended the 13 row for a NA 16 valve doing some track days

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:23 am Post subject:

no need for me to ad Info.. Parrot said it all Very Happy

Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject:

Many thanks, i'll just have a wee think about size of cooler and get it ordered up.

Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject:

Spoke to demon tweeks today, the guy was trying to push me towards using a take off plate on block and a separate thermostat and remote filter head.

Think this would be way to go if not relocating filter.

Trying to picture it, but think it is just going to make 5 hoses, 10 connections etc as thermostat has 4 ports.

Think the way Parrot's is done is spot on as it is just like OEM set up except relocated! With a sandwich plate on the block feeding the oil cooler behind the filter, obviously works and filters oil at the same time. Only has 8 connections, 4 hoses in total.