Where to buy bigger and better brakes?

Wataru Joined: 28 Jul 2006 Posts: 57 Location: Denmark

Hey

I have just been on the track and found out, that my stock brakes isnt to good at high temperture. Sad

I have done a liltle search here on the site, but did not found anything about, where to buy some better brakes.

I know T3 have a Big Brake kit, but they request 15 inch rims as minimum. I also think its a bit to big and heavy.

Does anyone know where I can buy a 4 piston kit with slottet rotors witch fits a 14" rim? I dont want drillede holes.

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject:

Here is one set, but I don´t know what wheelsize these are made:

FRONT
Cooled disc´s, Willwood 4-piston saddle´s, Fedoro pads, saddle adapter to AE86 strut.
Price 770,00 eur.

REAR
Disc´s, Willwood 2-piston saddle´s, Fedoro pads, saddle adapter
Price 520,00 eur

http://www.mikakiracing.net/

http://www.rengaskanava.fi/mikakiracing/contact.php

Wataru Joined: 28 Jul 2006 Posts: 57 Location: Denmark

Thats a really nice Starlet Worship

But I can not find any brakes on that site.

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 6:47 pm Post subject:

Jimmi , just wait few months.
I'm planning to offer ~270/257 (f/r)mm big brake kit for AE86 including brake bias valve and billet adapters for AE86 struts.
These will fit (most) 14" rims !

PS: The problem of stock AE86 discs is that they are too thin (19mm fronts new). They just can't dissipate heat. Another problem is bad brake calipers - often they need rebuild....

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:13 pm Post subject:

Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:47 pm Post subject:

Tell us more about the swap Jamie..another high priced kit that no one will buy or one of your famous budget setups? What kind of callipers and discs do you plan on running? Would be interested in a set if I cant get the ae86 setup to work. Also check out some ford sites. They have AE86 bias pedalboxes with balance bars and master cylinders of choice for 200E..pretty hard to beat.

@Jimmy...you might be dismissing your stock setup to soon.. Are you running stock pads? If so, you have to know that these were never made for these kinds of temperatures..I cannot believe how many people go to the track on stock pads and then complain about the fault being with the stock setup. Sports pads ala DS2500 are a bare minimum for track duty..anything less is playing with your life.
Also try and wire in some ducting from the front of your car to the callipers. This makes more difference then you would ever expect to be possible from some simple vacuumcleaner hoses.

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:56 am Post subject:

No problem NoHachi,
I'm just planning to use crashed F1 cars for donors - that's my little secret Puh

Wataru Joined: 28 Jul 2006 Posts: 57 Location: Denmark

Uhh, I don't understand Finish, so thats why I could't find it....

I run with stocks brakepads, but not genuine ones.

I knew the stock setup are to small for Track, but the trackday was just for fun and experience Smile

Upgraded brakes was already on my list, but I think its strange, that there are so few brake-kits avaible.

I think I mayby will build a kit myself with some aloy Willwood 4 piston calipers and some lager discs.
In fact, I have at set 4 piston calipers from a Landcruiser GX90, but I think these are too heavy. Its also difficult to find performance pads.

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:38 pm Post subject:

You're not reading...
You don't know whether the stock setup is to small for track duty..you're just parotting all the other AE86 internet jockeys that have maybe seen a track once in their lives. But go ahead..throw more money at it before you find out exactly what the problem is, good for the economy.

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject:

I could run my red turbo ae86 on MantorpPark, Sweden, for 45 min, with stocksize brakes,mitex 1155 and 100mm hoses from the frontbumper.

And on the straight it was hitting around 230km´t.
But on the one i got now,i can´t even make one round on a small track,this is with mintex 1144,but i think i have found that it must be my front caliper,that needs to be renewed,

/Skassa

Wataru Joined: 28 Jul 2006 Posts: 57 Location: Denmark

I know, but if the brakes already starts to fail now, how will it be with almost twice as much power, slicks tyres and a better driver?
I also think of it as a good lifeinsurence, also when driving in the streets.
Money is not an isue when it comes to safety. Smile

I also learnt by other projects, that its cheaper to spend the money right the first time. Thats why I use pretty much time doing research.

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:04 pm Post subject:

Thanks Skassa for the perfect example. I've had the same experience with the brakes on the volvo..We were driving the entire day, outbraking everything around us and just sending the car back onto the track after a short driver change..The stock brakes were not just acting well, they were doing rather phenomenally!
Then I got onto a v360 tuning forum and I suddenly found out that the stock volvo brakes wouldn't hold up for even a single lap on a circuit..Stupid me thinking Zandvoort was a circuit..must have been a swimming pool or something.. I tried to explain this to these people, but they just wouldn't listen..I still find that very strange..they almost seem to want to find problems to throw large amounts of money at. Confused

Dunno..maybe it has something to do with mechanical empathy..I drive like an idiot, but have yet to ruin a diff or brake system. Guess its down to a large part of knowing exactly when and how to drive agressively and how everything affects the mechanical bits.

Wataru Joined: 28 Jul 2006 Posts: 57 Location: Denmark

Coolpipes is a great idea, but at a hot track, with the tempereture rises form the tarmac, the system is not so effective. But your right, coolpipes makes a diffenrence. Smile

Some BMW's have airducts to the brakes as standard.

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:21 pm Post subject:

"I know, but if the brakes already starts to fail now, how will it be with almost twice as much power, slicks tyres and a better driver?"

So you think it´s becourse you are a better driver,
We will have to time that,give my your times,and in what car and any of the danish tracks,or Knutstorp, maybe.
Wink

One Mantorp, i was on A048,and i could beat a several 300hp Impreza´s with the AE86 making 260hp.

That was using T-hansen discs,were i cut some makes with a dyegrinder,using mintex1155

front and rear

/Skassa

Wataru Joined: 28 Jul 2006 Posts: 57 Location: Denmark

I ment, when the car become faster, and I become a better driver, I will also push it a liltle harder. Now I'm just a sunday driver Wink

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject:

Okay, it could be that you were a super driver, i just thourght it was strange i never meet you at a trackday Smile

/Skassa