A modern day hachiroku

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:53 pm Post subject: A modern day hachiroku

So i was thinking. There is not one car that would be the same today as hachi was in the 80's. I mean, it makes a helluva nice recipe for all the speed junkies searching for some "cheap" rwd action, with good balance and genuine engeneering.

For today, taking all the safety neccessities into consideration, a modern day hachi would be something like this:

FR
2.0 L DOHC NA
cca. 200-240 hp
cca 1200 kg
Clutch LSD
and a wheelbase of some 2400-2500mm

the price should be kept on the level as most modern day hot-hatches.

so what do you think, is this impossible?? why is there not one car like this today?

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:06 pm Post subject:

scion (is from toyota) will be introducing a new model this year. It is difrent version of the tC which is a sports coupe.

If this version will be RWD the whole world be on his head. This is prolly the most comming to a hachi car regarding size weight and engine!

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject:

Looks like front wheel drive to me.

Or do you mean an other version?

Wataru Joined: 17 Dec 2004 Posts: 113 Location: Latvia

Toyota don't have such car, while other manufacturers... For example Mazda MX5.

But I think the real alternative to hachi today is Subaru Impreza WRX. It's heavier, it's AWD. But it costs just some 10-15% more than Golf GTI.

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 8:52 pm Post subject:

FWD is the Tc. 170 ps spared. Shame...

Mazda is right now the only hope.

If the Kabura find its way to production then thats it.

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:25 pm Post subject:

To be honest: there is such a car and imo the most ugly car in the world:

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 10:59 pm Post subject:

banpei, a BMW is never a cheap car Puh

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:01 pm Post subject:

Ugly? No, I like it.
I f you drive it, you ll like it to Wink

Now the 3d version is ready and thats a step forwrd and with it the new 335is version will come.
It will feature the engine that will make its debute in a few months in the new 3 Series Coupe.

3.0 straight six, twin turbo, 306 PS... If it only had an LSD...

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:03 pm Post subject:

there's nothing a welder can't fix Wink

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:03 pm Post subject:

I think i got the same taste as banpei Puh

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:08 pm Post subject:

Oh c mon guys, cant really say that Scooby is a hachi successor. its a completely different car. Though i agree that it is bang for buck when searching for preformance.

That bimmer comes close, but it is neither lightweight, nor it has a smal high-rev fourbanger stashed under the bonnet. On top of everything it is pretty expensive.

Mazda seems to be the closest now w/ the new Miata. Its FR,greatly balanced, great engine and transmision, it has LSD, it is incredebly light (considering it is a muuch bigger car now) - has a sexy design and on top of everything its pretty afordable to. But miata is miata, its a legendary roadster w/ a spirit of its own.

Kabura looks to zoom-zoom for my taste, and its also said to have a v6 no?

I mean really, the basics of fun-cheap-preformance motoring, that were so popular in past decades now are completely gone. The market is flodded w/ FF hot hatches. but sport FR-s can only be had for alot of money.

Hachiroku for its day , it was masterpiece of engeneering, simple, light, fun to drive, pretty sexy/attractive - and preatty cheap. Why not make such a car again? IMHO a good example would be if Honda made a DC2 integra to be FR. Its light, k20 is great, has lsd, supreme suspension and overall mechanics, very atractive and still cheaper than most hot hatches out today.

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:13 pm Post subject:

I think that if Toyota would get the MR2 ZZW230 back in production, with the 2ZZ-GE, it could be an option.

But on the other side, it would cost pretty much, since the 1ZZ-FE'd MR2 allready wasn't a cheap car.

I think the times of good RWD cars is over.
It's all on FWD nowadays.

Just look at the old days:
Lotus Cortina, Dolomite Sprint, Escort MK1 Mexico/RS1600 etc. etc.
I could make this list 3 pages long if i want to. All pretty fast, lightweight and very nice cars.

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:19 pm Post subject:

No V6, just the Miata's 2 litre engine and transmition Cheerleader

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:26 pm Post subject:

Mr2 again is mr2. Its a car of its own. its midship so its perhaps a more demanding car, and nor so easy on drifting.

I think because of that (having no cheap FR around) people are rather throwing their money into 200sx', 86's, datsuns 240', starions, mk1 escorts.. an other great cars.

Some people have "invested" so much money into their hachirokus, they could easily buy a new Civic type R or a new GOLF GTI.

i hope those fine days are not over; with the rise of drifting in past years, i think the market is right for such a car to be launched again. The AE86 (and TE71 etc) community should rise and demand that toyota makes a new hachiroku. Cheerleader

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:32 pm Post subject:

well kabura looks to "specific". it stands out too much i think. maybe not for the future, who knows. but now it just doesnt feel like a "hachi" successor.

Without a doubt it will be a fantastic car. Only that 2 litre mazda engine could output some 20- 40 hp more. then it would be perfect =)

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:35 pm Post subject:

i think it's pretty impossible for a big make, to launch a car which weighs no more then 1000 kgs (that's what you want if you want to keep the price down).

with all those silly safety rules nowadays.
700 airbags, abs, ebd, cbt, opq, zlf, qrp, agtpf-x etc. etc. Very Happy

It all ads weight to the car.
And to give it nice handling and power, you need a big engine.
By then you need bigger suspension parts, bigger brakes.

Bigger engine demands more cooling, more cooling demands more space, thus more weight (look what happend with the Veyron, they need the silly 1000bhp to get the 2000+ kg car moving)

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 11:39 pm Post subject:

well how does a DC2 integra work than?? its pretty much everything a hachi was for its day and much more. Only the drive is on the wrong side of the car.

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 1:03 am Post subject:

The Kabura is a 3 seater concept.
Mazda wanted it to be just a show car, but press and public reacted so good they start thinking of producing it.

It will probably have just 2 seats and a less extravagante design, so...

MR2's production has stopped so....

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 8:39 am Post subject:

and what about honda s2000 ?

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 9:34 am Post subject:

S2k is my favourite car, its a great piece of engeneering. but its not quite like hachiroku. its a roadster, and its a bit too heavy/too little torque. and with a great balance it hs it almost drives like some FR-MR hybrid. and besides it is too expensive. I want one baad. its pretty much the only car that i would rather have than a nicely restored and modified hachiroku.

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:08 am Post subject:

The hachi would costed what, 18.000 euros today while the S2k costs 40.000 euros

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:29 am Post subject:

Nmwisima, i think 18.000 euro for a hachi nowadays, is a little too cheap.

By then, it was the top of the Corolla line.
So, also the most expensive one.

I don't think you can buy a decent FWD Corolla for 18.000 euro nowadays Puh

Wataru Joined: 17 Dec 2004 Posts: 113 Location: Latvia

http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/scion_fuse.asp

RWD Scion Fuse Concept - 2.4 engine with 160 bhp

I don't like it.

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:22 am Post subject:

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 11:30 am Post subject:

S2000 is a true weapon. It won't forgive the unwary driver. It's easily the most beautiful 2 seater out there but the Mk2.5 1.8lt Miata is the funnest car to drive by far. It's progressive, forgiving, has more than enough power to have fun. The looks are Neutral

but that can be fixed (the picture posted by Apolan here says it all).