OST-053: Massaging a 20V Blacktop
02-15-2019, 02:10 AM
Post: #1
OST-053: Massaging a 20V Blacktop
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My client asked me to overhaul his Blacktop (for his AE86). It comes to me with a spun #2 rod bearing (atypical, in my exp usually it's #4). The rod is toast, and the crank would need to be turned. "Would", not "will". My client isn't a fan of a turned crank, so we have ordered a new one. And as far as rods go, I have a set of re-worked TRD (20mm pins now) rods, that I'm selling him.


[Image: AEU86 AE86 - OST-053: Massaging a 20V Blacktop]


here is the head during disassembly

[Image: AEU86 AE86 - OST-053: Massaging a 20V Blacktop]

some grunge, but I've seen worse

[Image: AEU86 AE86 - OST-053: Massaging a 20V Blacktop]


Here are the cleaned block, head, valves, and associated parts. Using the back of my car as a pick up......

[Image: AEU86 AE86 - OST-053: Massaging a 20V Blacktop]


more to come..... Hurray!

Dan -

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02-19-2019, 05:15 PM
Post: #2
OST-053: Massaging a 20V Blacktop
from another forum Wrote:What method did you use to get the head so clean?

I work with a couple of machine shops, part of the fees in doing head work is a professional cleaning, and checking the casting for its pressure holding ability - make sure there are no porosity issues

from another forum Wrote:Oooh, that's pretty neat.

What are the big advantages of going 20v over the stock 16v head? It seems like a lot of work to import for a mild gain.

There are 2 significant differences. The first is at lower level lifts, the intake side flows much better. At higher lifts, the flow tends to get closer, beginning to equalize. The second major difference is the exhaust size is significantly larger.

With that said... a ported 16V std valve head can be made to do everything, except equal the 20V @ low lifts.


having all the other projects now finished, or waiting on parts, I ficus on the Blacktop head - working the intake side first.


#1 in the right, #2 on the left.

[Image: AEU86 AE86 - OST-053: Massaging a 20V Blacktop]


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02-21-2019, 06:54 PM
Post: #3
OST-053: Massaging a 20V Blacktop
further progress, this time on the exhaust side......

[Image: AEU86 AE86 - OST-053: Massaging a 20V Blacktop]


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02-23-2019, 11:28 PM
Post: #4
OST-053: Massaging a 20V Blacktop
Sorry if I’m digging into something I shall not: how did you get a new crank, and how much was it? They tend to cost a fortune I heard :o
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02-25-2019, 10:18 PM
Post: #5
OST-053: Massaging a 20V Blacktop
(02-23-2019 11:28 PM)domi007 Wrote:  Sorry if I’m digging into something I shall not: how did you get a new crank, and how much was it? They tend to cost a fortune I heard :o
About $450..... 13401-16020

https://www.toyotapartsdeal.com/oem/toyo...16020.html

Now as far as a European supplier... I can't help there....

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02-26-2019, 01:18 AM
Post: #6
OST-053: Massaging a 20V Blacktop
Also available in Europe. Price is around 450/500€

Nice work on the 20V! Smile
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02-27-2019, 06:11 PM
Post: #7
OST-053: Massaging a 20V Blacktop
(02-26-2019 01:18 AM)pack Wrote:  Also available in Europe. Price is around 450/500€

Nice work on the 20V! Smile

Thumbs up!


from another forum Wrote:Excellent work as alway OST. I’m finally able to revisit my Blacktop project of 7 years ago. This is inspiring - makes me want to get on it.

any inspiration I can help with is all good!


sometimes... it helps to see from a different POV...... I've added a photo to the above multi-panel



[Image: AEU86 AE86 - OST-053: Massaging a 20V Blacktop]

for the sharp of eye who follow my work, the above castings are from OST-034, but they still hold true...... as before, and after exhaust porting on a Blacktop head.


More to come...... Hurray!

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02-28-2019, 01:19 AM
Post: #8
OST-053: Massaging a 20V Blacktop
What is your honest feedback on the TRD conrods for the 20v?

I know i need to rebuild my 20V, not sure if bore walls are STD, if not, big pistons will follow and obviously new conrods (just because).

Not sure what to purchase...
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02-28-2019, 06:42 PM
Post: #9
OST-053: Massaging a 20V Blacktop
(02-28-2019 01:19 AM)pack Wrote:  What is your honest feedback on the TRD conrods for the 20v?

I know i need to rebuild my 20V, not sure if bore walls are STD, if not, big pistons will follow and obviously new conrods (just because).

Not sure what to purchase...

I've had this set of rods for a while... in fact this set's been to Europe and back (sold, and then returned). BUT you don't need to spend BIG money for decent rods. While I have only this anecdotal experience with blacktop rods, this engine's bearings appear to just be old worn out parts - all the bearings were pretty bad. But for the most part OEM rods are plenty strong. As an example of stock rod durability, my smallport is running a 40mm rod journal crank and stock 3 rib 40mm rod journal rods - albeit with new bolts. I'm making 140 ish whp, and I twist it regularly up to 7500+ and it now has over 30k miles on it.

But if you just want better (stronger, and lighter) rods, I usually recommend Molnar Technologies. They run about $450 per set.

[Image: AEU86 AE86 - OST-053: Massaging a 20V Blacktop]


Port work continues.... 2 down.... 2 to go

[Image: AEU86 AE86 - OST-053: Massaging a 20V Blacktop]


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Dan -

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03-01-2019, 06:59 PM
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OST-053: Massaging a 20V Blacktop
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