Cams AE85 build from NZ
07-27-2010, 01:02 PM
Post: #11
Cams AE85 build from NZ
Super86 Wrote:Looking great!

Are you doing the rust/panelbeating work yourself?

Yeah I'm doing everything I can myself - including all of the rust work. I am about to get the roll cage installed which will be done by a fabrication workshop. That's pretty much the only piece of work that I won't be doing. I got sick and tired of getting charged huge sums of money for substandard work so now I try to do everything. This way if it's a shit job I only have myself to blame :wink:
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07-27-2010, 11:41 PM
Post: #12
Cams AE85 build from NZ
Yeah - I know all too well what you mean.
I am just having a cage built at the moment. If you haven't already selected a shop to do it let me know and I'll put you in touch with the guy who is doing mine.
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07-28-2010, 11:32 AM
Post: #13
Cams AE85 build from NZ
Well this is totally out of order but I've spent the last few hours playing on SolidWorks and I wanted to share what I've come up with Smile

I wanted to be able to visualise and play with some different roll cage designs before I took the car to the fabricators so I dusted off my mechanical desgin hat (I'm an electronics engineer most of the time) and whipped up a few concepts. The results are below. Basic steps were to import a blueprint drawing of the car, start placing points in 3 dimensional space, connect them up and then create the actual tubes around the line drawing.

I'm pretty happy with how it's come up but any input would be greatly appreciated! This is the first time I've got a cage put in a car so all I'm going by is photos of others peoples designs and what I 'think' would be good.

In NZ most roll cages are built from mild steel tube in 38.1mm OD and 2.5mm wall thickness. The weight of the tubes for my design will be around 56kg, plus the mounting points and whatnot.

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07-29-2010, 01:36 PM
Post: #14
Cams AE85 build from NZ
Here's a small update on the electric water pump saga. The background is that when I modified the 20V to have the pipes from the radiator enter at the front of the engine I decided it would be a cool idea to use an external electric water pump. I had previosuly used them extensively on our Formula SAE cars ( and I liked the idea beacuse:
- Reduced load on the engine (the elec pump is far more efficient than a mech pump)
- No need to make complicated water outlets or have complicated plumbing
- No need for a thermostat (saving weight and reducing complexity)
The idea was to remove the innards of the 20V water pump and weld a plate over the hole in the back where the water would normally enter and weld a new fitting on the front - this should give me tidier plumbing. I did this AGES ago (as documented above) but I've always been concerned by the idea of having no thermostat on the car.

This website has some great information on cooling options for 20V 4AGEs in RWD configuration:

You can see from the website above that on the 20V motor the thermostat orignally lives in the block that bolts to the back of the motor. This is not used in my setup so I need a different solution. The other options were to run an external thermostat (ugly) or get a water pump from a RWD 4AGE (expensive). Hence the attraction of the electric pump.

A good friend of mine has always argued that the car should have a thermostat as it increases the pressure inside of the engine and helps to reduce localised boiling. Recently I have been thinking about this a lot as I don't want to risk damaging my motor. I now believe that this is a false statement (at least in the 4AGE world) as the thermostat on a 16V motor is at the start of the cooling flow and would therefore put the engine at a lower pressure than the radiator. The image below shows the flow direction:

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In addition to this I also stumbled across the FAQ on the Davies Craig website. This has made me even more confident in not running a thermostat. This is an excerpt from the page:

What do I do with the engine’s existing thermostat?
If you choose to use the Davies Craig Digital Controller you should remove the engine’s thermostat – the Controller is the new “thermostat”. The Digital Controller allows you to electronically set the engine target temperature and it adjusts the rate of coolant flow, hunting for, and then locking onto the temperature you set. You have five (5) options; 70c, 75c, 80c, 85c and 90c for either economy or performance, unlike your thermostat, which is set at one temperature by the engine manufacturer.

More can be found here:

So my thoughts are now far more positive and I think my solution will be very elegant. It will be ultra simple from a plumbing perspective and if the marketing material is correct then I stand to gain a lot from ditching the mechanical pump Smile
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07-29-2010, 09:17 PM
Post: #15
Cams AE85 build from NZ
Just a tip on your rollcage , make sure you have the seat that you are going to use for ever mounted where it will be with you in it , and build your cage around the required amount of head room that you need with a helmet on.
AE86's require a lot of thought to maintain head room and seat position , unless you are only 4' tall !
I have seen a few cages in these cars built by "experts" that leave no head room or room to fit a wider or head restraint seat .This is why I choose to build my own.

Your addiction to motorsport can only be cured by poverty !!
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08-22-2010, 08:21 AM
Post: #16
Cams AE85 build from NZ
this is an impressive worklog and thanks for posting a link to my site.

As stated in that cooling guide of mine I have been left with cleaning up the mess of dealing with Davies craig pump. The company has dirty tactics and poor service.

The second hand experience I had was that the engines run too cold even with the expensive controller. I do like the way you have modified the pump though its very creative.

My website:
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08-22-2010, 08:52 AM
Post: #17
Cams AE85 build from NZ
Hey what model hilux was the rear end? LN?
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