Another suspension topic - The deal with droop
05-28-2014, 12:16 PM
Post: #11
Another suspension topic - The deal with droop
No clue, the basic builds run mk2 GP4 bilstein stuff as its plug and play. The big boys typically have custom N+1 stuff from the usual suspects: öhlins, reiger, proflex etc.

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05-28-2014, 11:38 PM
Post: #12
Another suspension topic - The deal with droop
I'm convinced. For me, it's very much about function more than ever, since I want to make the car perform better under the conditions, be more reliable and generally more comfortable. Which is everything I would anticipate from a daily driver. The reason I chose the CS2s was the level of adjustment offered by ride height and damping and thought that despite the 8/6 rate, it would still perform well under a multitude of conditions.

Like I say, the CS2s are not bad, especially when compared to the last coilovers I had, but the buttock clenching moment before hitting a bump on a country road, knowing that not only will I feel the knock but the car itself could suffer the consequences in the bearings and joints, really makes me think it's time for a change.

So, based on what people have suggested, Bilstein shocks seem to be a good starting point. Ideally I would like to have a slightly lower spring than standard ride height to have a lower centre of gravity and to maintain a little bit of visual appeal. Also, I could imagine it would help somewhat with body roll, despite my hefty ARBs. I'm aware some of you guys are running a custom spring setup, but what would you recommend for a good all rounder, keeping in mind that the car sees mostly road action and sporty driving. From there I would assess my options and look into selling up the CS2s to get myself into a more ideal setup.

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05-29-2014, 09:39 AM
Post: #13
Another suspension topic - The deal with droop
If you really want to ride the bumps:
http://grp4fabrications.com/product_info...cts_id=493
A range of different inserts are available including short ones for lowered cars.
Cost ?
Approximately £1000
There was a chap selling a converted AE86 standard strut so that is possible too.
http://www.ae86irl.com/forum/showthread....t=bilstein
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05-29-2014, 07:36 PM
Post: #14
Another suspension topic - The deal with droop
(05-29-2014 09:39 AM)totta Crolla Wrote:  If you really want to ride the bumps:
http://grp4fabrications.com/product_info...cts_id=493
A range of different inserts are available including short ones for lowered cars.
Cost ?
Approximately £1000
There was a chap selling a converted AE86 standard strut so that is possible too.
http://www.ae86irl.com/forum/showthread....t=bilstein
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Would there be a distinct advantage of using the front struts from GRP4 against modifying a standard strut? I would ideally like to try and cut as even as possible between selling up the CS2s and getting the new setup.

Looking through the Irish forums, there are several different opinions surrounding other suspension setups. Some people think that putting in lower rated springs would be fine and others seem content with using the standard strut/spring combo.

What seems to be the general consensus though, is that the Bilstein shocks are a very good option for damping, which has led me to looking at the B6 range for a lowered option. As for springs, many people have bought and seem to be happy with the 50mm cobra lowering springs, but I'm due to message Seamie at Premier Performance to find out more about them.

From there it would be a case of tracking down standard front struts, camber plates and RCAs, since I would be better off selling them all as a package with the CS2s. If anyone is interested in trading up or having them off me, then drop me a message.
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05-29-2014, 08:48 PM
Post: #15
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Aren't the B8's the lowered version ?
I have a set of B6's and they are standard length (and in my opinion don't ride as well as the 40mm insert type)

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05-29-2014, 09:01 PM
Post: #16
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(05-29-2014 08:48 PM)totta Crolla Wrote:  Aren't the B8's the lowered version ?
I have a set of B6's and they are standard length (and in my opinion don't ride as well as the 40mm insert type)

You're correct, that was a typo on my part.
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05-29-2014, 10:42 PM (This post was last modified: 05-29-2014 10:44 PM by zenki.)
Post: #17
Another suspension topic - The deal with droop
Those bilstein b8's, if you put lowerings springs on, how low is the max they will take, -5cm?

I'm looking for a new setup and i want it as low as Mikzu's old car, always liked how that one looked.

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I'm willing to accept a few compromises but it basically has to perform decently whilst still looking good. The car will mainly be used on the street and maybe occasionly some track grip/drift action in the near future.

I decided to go for a 6/4.5 springs, don't know which brand tho.

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05-30-2014, 12:27 AM
Post: #18
Another suspension topic - The deal with droop
One thing that has been mentioned is that the B8s don't fit inside the standard strut housing? Surely it would fit with a spacer?
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05-30-2014, 12:48 AM
Post: #19
Another suspension topic - The deal with droop
? Why not?

Usually the difference between B6-B8 is an internal bumpstop. Externally they are identical.

You can use different B6/B8 inserts too to make the jump from 30mm to 36mm pistons. From the top of my head Dodge/Mitsu 3200gt/stealth inserts and 200sx S13 inserts will both work as short stroke fitments.

Totally forgot, but there is also the option of having the Driftworks stuff revalved. Feal suspension in the US provide this service and I think there is a UK company doing similar stuff. Imho something to consider.
Still haven't found someone who is willing to measure the total stroke available on the Taiwan specials. If I had that number, I could give you the spring rate range that could be made to work on these dampers.

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05-30-2014, 01:42 AM
Post: #20
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(05-30-2014 12:48 AM)NoHachi Wrote:  ? Why not?

Usually the difference between B6-B8 is an internal bumpstop. Externally they are identical.

You can use different B6/B8 inserts too to make the jump from 30mm to 36mm pistons. From the top of my head Dodge/Mitsu 3200gt/stealth inserts and 200sx S13 inserts will both work as short stroke fitments.

Totally forgot, but there is also the option of having the Driftworks stuff revalved. Feal suspension in the US provide this service and I think there is a UK company doing similar stuff. Imho something to consider.
Still haven't found someone who is willing to measure the total stroke available on the Taiwan specials. If I had that number, I could give you the spring rate range that could be made to work on these dampers.

Yeah, I did think that was incorrect info. He seemed certain that the B8 were a harder setup than the B6, but I know it's just a shorter stroke for a lower setup and to make sure they keep lower springs captive.

I'm not aware of any local specialists that could revalve the CS2s and I think it would be more ideal to go with the bilsteins for reliability and ease of replacement down the line if they do give up for any reason.
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